Posted January 30, 2014

Haney on Tiger: He Has Gotten Too Big

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A ripped Tiger Woods at the 2013 Presidents Cup (EPA Photo).

A ripped Tiger Woods at the 2013 Presidents Cup (EPA Photo).

The author of The Big Miss says his former student has made a big mistake.

Speaking yesterday on his SiriusXM PGA TOUR Radio Show, Hank Haney voiced some strong opinions on Tiger Woods, who missed the third-round cut at the Farmers Insurance Open when he struggled to a 79 on Saturday.

Like other analysts before him, Haney, responding to a caller’s question about Tiger’s workout habits, said that Woods has hit the gym too hard.

“My opinion is he did too much of that,” Haney said. “He does a lot of the gym stuff. I know you need to do some for golf, no doubt about it. You need to be in shape, you need to avoid injury, but my opinion is he really overdoes that. … I look at him now and a lot of guys mentioned on the telecast, he looks bigger this year. I think Peter Kostis mentioned that. He looks like he’s gained more muscle mass. When he was thinner and younger he was actually faster then.  The strength maybe helps you get out of the rough but I’d agree that he’s overdone it. But he loves to work out.”

As Haney sees it, Tiger’s time would be better spent elsewhere.

“Let me tell you what his real key to golf is, it’s getting out there and practicing his putting. He had five three-putts in 54 holes at Torrey Pines and you’re not going to fix that in the gym. Now Tiger Woods is the best lag putter I’ve ever seen. When he personally asks me, ‘Hank, who is the best putter?’ I said, ‘You are. You’re the best putter and Jack Nicklaus is the best.’ The two greatest putters ever because they’re the greatest pressure putters.  But Tiger’s lag putting is phenomenal. For him to go out and three-putt five times at Torrey Pines, I can’t even believe it.  There’s just no way that he put in the time on the putting green and practicing. It’s impossible.  He’s too good. His stroke is too consistent. He’s too great a putter. So I’m right there with you.  Less time in the gym. He’s beat himself up, no doubt about it, but less time in the gym, more time on the putting green. There’s just no way he should three-putt five times. That’s just ridiculous. He’s Tiger Woods. That just can’t happen.”

You can listen to the full audio on Haney’s remarks here. “Hank Haney Golf Radio,” an instructional-based show, airs Saturday and Sunday mornings at 10 a.m. Eastern Time on SiriusXM PGA TOUR Radio.

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94 comments
Jim22
Jim22

Way to try and stay relevant Haney  !! Go join your buddy Chumplee and crawl back under the rock you came out of !!  Guy wins 5 times last year and his first tournament back he's rust and all of a sudden he's done, get a life dude !!

billpucci18
billpucci18

What do I know but when I see Tiger swing it looks forced. His swing doesn't flow like it used to. He just swings the club too darn hard. Quit over swinging. 

The game is better off when he is in the hunt.

Rick Graf
Rick Graf

I disagree. He needs to read the latest research on that. I wonder why someone from TPI hasn't commented yet.

trucker_mike
trucker_mike

Why do you continue to give this clown air time?  No one cares what he thinks.  No pro will even talk to him, let alone work with him.  Spouting this drivel makes him still feel relevant 

MrEightIron
MrEightIron

"Haney thinks Tiger spends too much time in gym."


Maybe Haney spends too much time thinking about Tiger in the gym.

Happygolfer
Happygolfer

Wow, this Haney guy is a genius.  He reckons that we all could do better holing more putts, even Tiger! Who knew!  I think Tiger looks great working out in the gym but not according to Haney.  Thin, skinny and low in muscles maybe - now lets see how many of those types have 14 majors - oh Jeez, none!  

Joe Mariano
Joe Mariano

I think mlb players would disagree with you. So many...

Bob Wilson
Bob Wilson

With muscle, you lose flexibility.

Brad Loomis
Brad Loomis

Sleep more than 3 hours a night...problem solved.

dorado
dorado

so many golf experts chiming in today on the message boards instead of helping the next billion dollar golfer get their games in shape.

emncaity
emncaity

Haney is dead right, and there's a longstanding tradition of top players who corroborate this.  It's not like players of past eras also didn't have the idea that weight-and-strength training might make them better, but the smarter players avoided it for the most part, opting instead for occasional high-reps-low-weight training but mostly playing and practicing.  You just can't continue to act like you're different from every other great player in history, even in terms of physical realities, and not have problems.

As for putting, that is SO true.  I happen to know (because I checked) that more than once on weeks when he won or contended, Woods missed literally not one single putt under five feet for the entire _week_.  It was phenomenal.  I never thought I'd see anybody who might be the equal of Nicklaus in short putting under championship pressure, but Woods might be it -- or at least he might have been when he was at his best.

One thing a lot of people don't know is how Harmon worked with him on shortish putts -- the "conversion" putts from around six feet to around 15-18 feet, the kind of putts he was going to have if his iron play kept improving.  The theory -- and it was a sound theory -- was that there wasn't much point in hitting more fairways and hitting the ball a little closer to the hole unless you were going to convert those putts at some higher percentage.  Not that you would make all of them, but you need to make a few more here or there, or the long-game improvements were for nothing.  That was maybe the biggest single factor in his success during his best years.  And no amount of time in the gym is going to make that come back.

tommyrogo
tommyrogo

Tiger did not look good this week.  His swing, his putting.  He was in the penal rough too much.  He looked like this a few times last year and won 5 times.  Let's give him a break and see how he does when he gets back from overseas.

Roslie Ayob
Roslie Ayob

It his business what ever he do . Hooray to tiger

Concetta Rossetti
Concetta Rossetti

Who cares. This is just a way to get headlines using Tiger's name....

Tom Tucker
Tom Tucker

He needs less time with Sean Foley, as in he needs to ditch Foley. Foley's Stack & Hack swing may work for some, but it's clearly not the swing for Tiger. At his best, Tiger was a scrambler – he was never particularly good at hitting fairways, but he was great with his approach shots and the best pitcher (wedge) that's ever lived. Foley's swing has ruined his pitching game. Tiger was in the Top 3 in Birdies from the Rough for years with Hank Haney – now he's terrible from the rough. If he doesn't hit a fairway, he struggles. It's all or nothing for Tiger now. In the past, he was a scrambler and a scorer, not a robotic perfectionist that Foley has turned him into. He'll never catch Jack with Foley's swing. He may not ever win a major with Foley's swing. 

Eric Hinman
Eric Hinman

Tiger can't hit the driver or 3 metal....go back to Butch. He is on the same page with greatness.

Dapper Johnny
Dapper Johnny

Hey Hank, don't you think you commented enough on Tiger when you wrote the tell all book? You're a pariah. You did this to yourself.

Ebrahim Jina
Ebrahim Jina

pretty relevant for the past 15 years though .. unlike all the other flashes in the pans

JuanV
JuanV

He definitely needed less time with Hank Haney....

Beau Rolfe
Beau Rolfe

Yes! I think that is why he is so injury prone. Besides, he played his best golf when he was much smaller.

Roly Ribout
Roly Ribout

Needs to play more tournaments. I understand he plans around majors but it's not working. Get golfing.

Dennis A Lippy
Dennis A Lippy

Muscling up does not help flexibility and Tiger just looks like he is not flexible at the top and holding on at the bottom.

Ben Smith
Ben Smith

Flexibility far outweighs the benefits of his lifting regimen. I do think he is a little less flexible than he was earlier, but we all get this way. If he tapers it back a bit, he will likely regain some control, so I'd have to agree a little with Haney. But please, Tiger, don't bag it altogether.

Thapelo Mokau
Thapelo Mokau

Interesting, thot Tiger spend most of his time on the greens...

Ron Wilde
Ron Wilde

Yes he needs to focus more on golf if he wants more majors....repetition in golf is everything...PLAY MORE! !!

Ash Birkin
Ash Birkin

Hank have you won as much as Tiger??? Think not so shut up...

Peter Bisconti
Peter Bisconti

exactly !!! and how did his legs get so big so fast???? things that make you go hummmmmm

Peter Katholos
Peter Katholos

Tiger is the best ! He knows what he is doing ! First event and they can't wait to have a go ! Big year for tiger comin up !

RobertSmith
RobertSmith

"less time in the gym, more time on the putting green"


I don't know that he needs less time in the gym, but he clearly needs more time on the putting green.   Or course, his putting issues may be between his ears and not fixable by time on the practice green.  He finished 22nd in strokes gained putting last year, alternating between tournaments where he never missed and pressure situations where he seemed totally without a clue.

Dale Hudson
Dale Hudson

He ought to go back to Butch Harmon or Hank Haney.

Paul Benavidez
Paul Benavidez

Stay fit tiger...looking great. You will get it.

ETees1
ETees1

Concetta: 

 Tiger can't help that people make money off of him.  When people talk about Tiger, sports writers get attention, commentators get recognized, magazines get sold and TV rating go up when he plays so it's not Tiger, it's the media frenzy that make money off of mentioning his name. 

TLavonLawrence
TLavonLawrence

I agree - she deserves an older guy...maybe with a goatee, who lives on the Florida Panhandle and makes far less money and drives an old truck and likes beer.  Wait, I know a guy just like that! lol

ETees1
ETees1

@Tom Tucker

I agree this guy has done nothing, absolutely nothing for him.

emncaity
emncaity

@Tom Tucker

Good on most points, but there is absolutely no way Woods could be named the best wedge player ever.  Doubtful he's even in the top 10.  He was, however, as good as any top player has ever been in shots around the green -- short pitches, chips, 3-putt avoidance, and short putting.  If you want to go into the stats on the wedge game, we can do it.  Or, you can just offer whatever proof you have that he was "the best pitcher (wedge) that's ever lived." 

JBub
JBub

@Tom TuckerI agree that Tiger's not the scrambler he once was, but his full swing is much more efficient now since Foley. That efficiency should carry seamlessly into his wedge game.  At age 37, Tiger just doesn't consistently score like he used to. Blame it on Father Time, I think.

Tom Tucker
Tom Tucker

@JuanV Tiger won six majors with Haney. He's won zero with Sean Foley. Foley has mangled Tiger's swing and his once brilliant wedge game. And his stats have gotten worse in every category with Foley. 

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